User talk:Strayor

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Links

Hi there! By links I presume you are referring to hyperlinks? If so, it is quite simple. To create a link to another page in this wiki, all you need to do is to enclose your desired article title with double square brackets [[ ]]. For example, if you want to link to the Treaty of Barlat, you just need to input this: [[Treaty of Barlat]]. If you want to make an indirect reference, say Alliance peace treaty with the Empire, then input in this manner: [[Treaty of Barlat|Alliance peace treaty with the Empire]]. If you do not want to input the square brackets manually, you can always click the third button in the top left corner of every page you are editing and it will automatically generate the brackets for you. Hope this helps! =) Glacierfairy 14:48, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes it does thank you very much. Strayor 02:05, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

One friendly reminder: When writing new paragraphs in the edit page, please don't start with a space unless you want your text to appear in a separate box. Also, sign off your comments in any talk pages like this: ~~~~. Otherwise, keep up with the edits! Glacierfairy 02:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok I'll do my best to remember Strayor 15:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Past Discussions

To the admins, again... Sorry to keep bothering you guys but when I try to post an edit I am told that the spam filter will not let me save a page because of a link I have. Problem is, I'm only using links from this site. Could someone maybe help me out with this issue? Thank you.

Hi, which link were you trying to add and which page were you editing? Glacierfairy 02:56, 26 June 2013 (UTC) http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Bernhard_von_Schneider

And I know how to link to another page on this wiki, but it is telling me that I am linking to a blacklisted page or something external. I'm wondering if I had some kind of restriction placed on me because I sporadically edit, so maybe it thought I was a spammer or something like that. I'd also like to say thank you Glacierfairy. If I post a problem I am having, within a few hours you reply and that is incredibly helpful to a noob to wikis like me. Thanks Strayor 13:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't control the blacklists so you will probably have to wait for Kine to look into it. For the moment, try editing the page without the links. I'll add them in later if necessary. Sorry if I can't be of much help there. Glacierfairy 14:20, 26 June 2013 (UTC) Your account is fully confirmed, so there is nothing wrong with your permissions. Could you please provide the exact text you're trying to add? I did make some changes to the black-list recently, and it's possible that i fucked it up, but i'll need to know precisely what's tripping it. Cheers, and sorry about the inconvenience ♥ kine @ 00:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC) The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to a blacklisted external site. Please try again. Return to Bernhard von Schneider. This is the text I get no matter what I try to edit or how little I write, doesn't matter if I have links in it or not. For example this text was copied after I attempted to take away one of the dots out of the "..." so I'm pretty certain it's something to do with my account. Was there, by any chance, a permissions alteration or something like that when you messed with the blacklists Kine? The reason I ask is that I am still able to post to my own page and talk to you guys so I'm not sure how technical my problem really is. Again thanks for sticking with me admins. If you get me back to being able to edit then I will be sure to contribute to this wiki a sizable amount of articles and edits. I am sorry for being such a pain in your ass though. Strayor 06:10, 28 June 2013 (UTC) I don't handle the technical aspects but if you are really keen and desperate to edit, you could post it here since you seem to not have problems here and someone can put in your edit. Assuming it isn't an essay sized edit of course. Iracundus 09:06, 28 June 2013 (UTC) No, someone could not. They would have had the same problem. :p It was in fact my fault, i'm sorry. Please try again, i think it should work. ♥ kine @ 13:57, 28 June 2013 (UTC) It seems to be working now. Thank you for taking the time to stick it out with me Kine and getting me going again. Glacierfairy, thanks for always replying quickly. Iracundus, thanks for the encouragement to desperately edit and thanks for the idea, but having you personally copy and paste all of my edits would be tedious and I unfortunately almost edit exclusively in essay sized fragments and I believe you would find it troublesome to copy and paste the small edits I do write and follow my instructions as to where they should be placed in the existing text, but thanks. Thanks guys.Strayor 15:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC) You're welcome and keep up with the good work! Glacierfairy 20:19, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Just wondering...

Why did you sound so irritated the other day about the discussion about the Empire? It was a simple discussion, why the reaction? FPA Forever

I'm assuming this is FPA Forever. Sorry for my belatedness but I ran out of time typing my reply after this was posted and I forgot to come back and finish it until I randomly looked at my page today. For that you have my apologies.

I apologize if I sounded irritated. I just had a lot to say to catch up because my recent edits page didn't refresh for a few days so I came in late. The reason I "defended" the Imperials, especially Mittermeyer, is because I didn't want you to think of them as thuggish brutes without a shred of humanity, which I know you don't, and to try and give some rationality to their actions by going on a tangent about the customs that have presided over most of our history. When viewing it from that perspective, the actions of the Imperials seem less, I guess the word would be, evil. A just man like Mittemeyer would willingly bear the shame of killing an unarmed man to remove Lang from their society's fresh start because death and execution are used much more extensively than in today's civilized world and as I said this has been the case for most of our history, and it is not unreasonable to think standards have drastically changed in the 1,500 years from our time to the OVAs. We have many people we idolize in history as heroes that would have seen little wrong with the world of the Neue Reich, except many of them would have viewed it as giving the people too much leeway. Sure, a small minority of them would have wanted democracy at all costs, but as history mostly favors the more uncivil civilized nations that execute at will or at least far more often than what you or I would deem acceptable it is still not for us to hold the time the person was living in against them when they take actions deemed appropriate for the time period or nation they live in, even if they are wrong by our present day standards.

Granted this line of thinking has its limits but in general that is the best way to approach history. When I first watched the series, I remember being shocked when I saw a character I loved acting in such despicable ways. The examples off the top of my head were the aforementioned Mittermeyer allowing Bayerlein to threaten Odets and Reinhard casually stating that all males over ten years of age in the Littenheim family were to be put to death. This initially tarnished the views I had of those characters but when I came back to it and was viewing the series much more analytically, I treated what I was watching more as a historical recreation than an animated adaptation of the science-fiction/space epic novels that started it all. When I did that I believed that we cannot hold them responsible for the society they live in, especially in the case of the Imperials under Reinhard who are just now taking their first steps back into the light after 500 years of darkness. When compared to the really diabolical incidents in Imperial history, Mittermeyer attempting to murder Lang looks like an act of charity. The whole Odets thing is still awful and I’m not sure how that was allowed to happen considering the honor that the rest of the series shows Mittermeyer to possess, but apart from that and another incident or two, most of the main Imperial characters held themselves rather well and were men of character, at least in the Neue Reich.

Again, sorry for my delayed response. I hope that these two bundles of run-on sentences will help to clarify why I acted the way I did and how I feel about the Imperials and the series as a whole. At no point did I wish to have you think I was trying to make it personal. That is the absolute last thing I would seek and I apologize if my earlier response came across in such a way. Again, best wishes to you and your health. Strayor 17:30, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, I think it is, however, for us to judge their actions, or else we don't learn anything. Its like saying that we shouldn't hold slavers in contempt because of the time they lived in. I disagree. We should loathe them utterly, hold them in supreme contempt, always go out of our way to point out how awful their practices were, how backwards they were.

I hold the Imperials' moral mistakes against them, and refuse to excuse them at any point, at any level, for anything. To me, it seems morally unacceptable to do any less, but thats my personal way of looking back on history.

I think Mittermyer was in the wrong on both cases, and what got to me was largely the fact that the first incident (Lang's near-murder) was pretty much showed to be an almost-just thing, while the second scene was played in such a way that it seemed, to me, that the viewers were supposed to think that Odets should feel shamed that people in the Alliance wouldn't shoot someone in the face just for saying a slightly unwelcome truth about their leader. While the scene seemed to express that one should feel pride in a society where men are willing to do such a thing. And Odets does, seemingly truly contritedly, agree with Mittermyer. And then Mittermyer unusually pompously says that loyalty such as that is truly precious,and notes that Yang's people would do the same if one insulted THEIR leader. FPA Forever

Well then I guess that's why I reacted the way I did. I guess you have a very dark view of history. It is more realistic for our time, I agree, but I don't think the society someone grows up in should be held against them, so I respectfully disagree for I believe we should not hold everyone in contempt because of the time they lived in. To your specific example of slavers, by your logic almost all important historical figures from the pre classical era are now exempt from praise because they did not fight slavery. I must state that what you are saying goes against everything I've been taught by multiple professors. Many of them use this very topic as their example. Yes, slavery is horrible. Yes, we should keep in our minds that they upheld and utilized a dark and terrible practice. But to have that wash over everything else they did is too much. Many of the founding fathers are completely awful by this way of thinking. There are countless records from the colonial slave era that show the people of the time, even including slave traders and owners themselves, were all too aware of how horrific the practice was, but the society of their time was structured in such a way that in many occupations slavery was the only way to remain competitive. There's also many other examples of laws being made to enforce the "ethical", please notice the quotes there, treatment of slaves and in some cases entire codes or legislation completely dedicated to regulating slavery. This has been the case since the bronze age, when civilization as we know it really began, according to the mainstream. My point with all this is that humans are human, we have been everything from the worst of demons to the most caring of angles. Generally speaking, we all share common moral values, think of the crying child in public experiment. So on those levels, most of us, across all ages, are usually in agreement with some basic moral principles. So coming from there I do not think people from other eras that were apart of what are now viewed as societies with questionable values should be all viewed as evil. Too many figures could be bound up in that type of logic, and with that many different types being all grouped together it just becomes a pick and choose type situation, where one's actions outweigh another's identical actions. I'm sorry but that is just how I feel, and I hope we can be respectful even though our differing opinions are plain to see. I understand your position and although I may disagree with it, I see the merit in holding a high moral standard.

For what it's worth, I totally agree with the absurdity of the whole Odets thing. I have no idea what the writers were thinking to portray that incident in such a way. No matter how loyal you are to someone, going after the diplomat attempting to negotiate peace for such a slight insult is absolutely unacceptable in any day and age. I really don't know why that was even included in the story as it had little purpose other than to show the Alliance attempted to negotiate, which was already made clear, so it really doesn't make much sense. I also can't see any of Yang's guys, apart from Poplan, doing something similar if an Imperial were to insult, and I mean really insult, Yang. And just to be clear, I view slavery as one of the cruelest and heinous institutions ever thought of by man. I cannot fathom how someone living in a slave society would allow it to persist. I have simply been taught to accept these types of things as just being the ways of the time and that unless it's in the realm of genocide, it was just the custom of the age, no matter how absolutely terrible I personally view it to be. Strayor 20:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)