Talk:Graham Eberd Noel-Baker

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Government title note

Noel-Baker's position in Japanese is 最高評議会書記局二等書記官, which translates literally as "Secretary Second Class of the High Council Secretariat" Glacierfairy 08:43, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Have to wonder why no Secretary First Class was there. Maybe abandoned their posts already. Or maybe sitting outside the chamber was that lowly and undesirable of a post. Iracundus 21:34, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Whats frightening here is that, for these actions, punishments were actually considered. So much for an enlightened Imperial society. To be honest, except for Reinhard, Hildegarde, Kircheis and a very few others, most of the Imperial characters are either thuggish, blindly loyal, or just plain dumb. This isn't an enlightened society, its a military junta that just happens to be led by a relatively enlightened man. People have been shown to be put Under the threat of death for just saying that the Kaiser wasn't as good as Yang as a military officer (which he isn't)! FPA Forever:::Imperial society is one in which the concept of lèse-majesté still exists. For example, during the Klopstock Incident, Imperial security forces held back for fear of damaging a statue of Rudolf I or the Gaiden case where the Imperial woman got into trouble for stamping on pictures of Rudolf I and Friedrich IV. While those may have just been custom, Imperial law, or fear of punishment, the common Imperial soldier (and even more so if they were veterans of Reinhard's campaigns) was probably intensely loyal and sensitive towards any perceived disrespect to their warrior-monarch that had led them to victory over all enemies, so the obstinate resistance of the few in a conquered city under martial law would have been even more infuriating. Most lower ranking soldiers throughout history have not dealt very well with resistance or perceived insolence from the conquered populace of a city under martial law. See the story of the reputed death of Archimedes, who was supposedly killed by a common Roman soldier during the fall of Syracuse when he did not instantly obey a summons to see the Roman general, even though the general had wanted to keep Archimedes alive. However such reactions to perceived disrespect of the state are not limited to just absolute monarchies. Look at the issue of modern flag burning or flag desecration and how in some countries it is illegal or even where it is not, there are heated emotional responses and attempts to make it illegal. Iracundus 19:30, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

The officers who nearly killed Mr. Odets, an unarmed Alliance who merely stated - truthfully - that Yang was such a great military leader than even Lohengramm was unable to defeat him, were admirals, not merely rank-and-file. And Mittermyer does stop the act, but then immediately follows-up by saying that the reaction was PRAISEWORTHY. Add to that the fact that Mittermyer himself stated, loud and clear, before the Chief of the Military Police, his intention to kill Lang (who was himself a bastard, but thats in no way an excuse). Kessler's reaction is mild at best, merely scolding Mittermyer and taking no action against him. Add to that the fact that the fleets are clearly more loyal to their commander than to the state - the Black Lancers especially, but all of the others are guilty of this to some degree, and the idea that Hildegarde Mariendorf will be able to hold a LICK of real power after Reinhard has gone makes no sense. Its a very sick society that will end up killing itself in constant civil wars. FPA Forever