Talk:Hospital ship

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Just a note re: images, its a good idea to grab images from Central Anime's DVD rip (some of the images here are from the QTS DVD rip, but replacing them is an ongoing thing, and in the case of Perun from S1 Gaiden I had to use an LD image because there is no DVD rip of that episode yet), as opposed to the old Laserdisc rip, simply because of the increase in quality. I'm happy to replace them, but its a good idea in future to have a look at some of the images uploaded for other ships - you'll note there's a summary section which has an episode citation - good for knowing where to get it (this one's from Episode 97 IIRC). Vympel 23:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, keep in mind that whilst we are well aware of the dimensions for all of the ships of the series as found on numerous Japanese websites on the net, we've refrained from putting them in unless we have them from a verified canon/ licensed source - we have access to the fleet file miniatures for Volumes 1 - 10 released by Wright Staff (and made by Alba Creates) so we've used the accompanying booklets for every ship they have. They're bringing out the hospital ship very soon, so I imagine this size will be verified in due course (I buy them all). The fleet file booklets sometimes differ in terms of stated sizes compared to those on fan websites - particularly in relation to the Parzival, Ulfrun, Eistla and Galga Farmr, IIRC. Vympel 02:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Got CA looong ago, so it appears to be the original distro...refreshing. Checked unused files but found no suitable pics, will update otherwise. Besides, many are fan-made gifs dunno if this is alright. I rather prioritize the novels first, then anime, then other officials etc. Also keep in mind even official sources have many typos. They aren't necessary relyable when it comes down to numbers, but their contents (BG info) are. Almael 13:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I highly recommend grabbing the latest DVD remaster release of the show then. I can direct you if you don't know where to get them. The laserdisc images just look rubbish. But more importantly, if you are going to post an image, make sure to give it a description / citation and appropriate copyright marker. For example:- http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/File:Perceval.jpg Its just helpful. That reminds me, give citations for everything. Unsourced stuff will be marked as such and may be deleted eventually. Finally, re: prioritzaiton, have a look at our policy pages to famliarize yourself. Basically, we prioritze the anime first and foremost. If you're aware of any typos, errors, etc, by all means let us know. Vympel 14:14, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

It appears the newer .mkv format version has generally better quality, but worse when regarding reminiscing scenes. The original were not skewed. Well, anime applies rather to graphics only than to the actual informations, which goes without saying IMHO. But then there are certain differences story wise... I don't see much of a conflict here. Almael 21:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

yeah there probably isn't, but just make sure that everything is appropriately cited and things are seperated. We don't mix information from the anime and the books into the same sections in articles. That way anyone reading always knows exactly where the info they're reading comes from. Star Trek's memory-alpha is our model in that regard (i.e. in that case, licensed material goes in a seperate section. Whilst the novels aren't 'licensed material' strictly speaking, the same principle applies). Not sure what you mean about "skewed" though. Vympel 00:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

It took years for memory-alpha to be cleaned up as is and some speculative information or background are still included...for better judgement. Here, atm it looks more like a reference to look up where things appear in the anime than a true encyclopedia; and more quantity than quality. Well, I'm here to change that. But won't discuss things in the forum as is. lol Here's an example of what I mean by skewed.

original CA distro

DVD distro

Indeed, there's not many contributors yet and a lot of stuff is not up to standard. Oh well, its not a very old wiki, and one step at a time. Knowing where to find info on the stuff is the first step in explaining what the stuff is after all. As for the skewed thing - do you mean the blurry effect (added I assume in the remaster because its a flashback?) or the tendency for black bars? I'd fix that if I had photoshop, but I don't. kine is usually the one who fixes them, but he's been away since July. I changed the hospital ship image to DVD quality, btw. No need for it to be super-zoomed on one ship IMO. Vympel 14:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

The blure. Now, I'm also a bit dissapointed by the missing japanese for names. I used to use them to varify the writings even if there are typos. I guess I got to get the original back...if still posssible. Don't care about the black bar. Well, zoomed saves space while allowing to have HQ pics. Almael 15:19, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the blur is a remaster effect to denote it as a flashback. As for the missing Japanese names, I agree, its a problem CA encountered with ripping straight to DVD (and they reused the LD names, not the better DVD ones). Luckily I have the old LD version and the QTS DVD rip as well as the CA DVD rip, so I can always cross-reference all of them when working on name variations. Required a lot of downloading though, lol. As for zooming, its a matter for you if you want to crop any images, but the sizes are so tiny (a few kilobytes) I don't think it makes a difference. Vympel 01:59, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Heh, I don't have much space to spare. :( Could you compile a table-like list with rows for episode and columns for writing versions including japanese? Preferable in txt and html format versions. If possible a column for a short description of what it refers to, i.e. a person/ship/place etc. Also pics of their appearance from the show for verification. These will have to belong to the writing/spelling category. Only kB size if you use jpeg, which is a lossy format. I have been a proponent of png for many years. Now it seems to be accepted by many. Maybe it was my doing. lol Anyway, it's bigger and won't reduce quality further than it already has been due to video coding. Almael 12:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, compiling such a list would be a *huge* task. But I was always planning on doing something like that when I do my next re-watch of the show (which is necessary for me purely to keep contributing to the wiki after I'm done with my first run at getting the warships and then battles articles into something I'm happy with). I'm pretty time-poor lately though- could be quite a while. As for jpg vs png, I just tested it out (was doing some pics for the Konigstiger) and there was literally not a single difference between the two formats cycling back and forth- except the .png was 6 times the size! Could it be something to do with the media player? I use MPC for my screencaptures, its the most reliable for me. Vympel 13:12, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, you only need to list the first episode where a specific name appears. But I think I would be nice to have all the screenshots for places and ships. You could always take the Seikai wiki's ships, battle or planet articles as an example. lol I guess I should add some new ones now. B) MPC is best and convenient, only getting the right frame may be troublesome. Quality in jpeg depends on the compression(quality) percentage set when you save it. Mind you that jpeg will always transform the original image even if 100% quality. First it blurs the coloring of pixels to created bigger similar pixel cells, while increasing number of colors...this is counter to reduction... Anyway, this creates artefacts (cells). You can see the differences by manipulating the picture's gamma or simply zoom in to see the pixels. Almael 15:50, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll have a look see next batch of screencaps I take, see if its worthwhile (my initial view however is that if you need to manipulate the gamma or zoom in to really notice the difference, its not a big deal). MPC is pretty good since my new PC - it used to give me lots of trouble with getting the right frame on my old one, but now its perfect - one right keystroke advances the frame to where I want it everytime now. Vympel 03:43, 27 August 2011 (UTC)