Talk:Nobility
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Separate or combined?
Are we going to have separate articles for these different factions of the nobility? We have one for High Nobles, but i had figured we could just redirect that to this page, the same way we redirect Fezzan Corridor to Navigation corridors? ♥ kine @ 14:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- ?? I brought this up earlier. I thought you had moved things into different pages? Originally, High nobles/nobles/reformer nobles were all one page. Canary 14:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Did i really? Maybe i was drunk :(
- Do you prefer them all together as well then? ♥ kine @ 14:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I prefer them merged. I think, in general, logh is such a rich setting that we are going to have (and already have) a whole lot of pages, so the simpler we keep things, the better.
Military service
I vaguely recall this was either mentioned in an episode or written somewhere, but I don't remember where. Were the nobility exempt from military conscription that the common Imperial citizens had to do? —Goldenbaum Loyalist 22:13, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
- In HBSHBL: 'Candidate for Succeeding a Count's Family', Kircheis talks to Martin Bufholtz, and that is where the information about the mandatory military service of 2 years for commoners comes from. I cannot offhand recall a specific source explicitly saying the nobles were exempt. Things like Grand Duke Herbert including drinking friends among his military advisors suggest however 2 possibilities. The first is that maybe nobles were exempt from the mandatory service. Grand Duke Herbert's initial enjoyment of playing "soldier" seems to suggest this first option though it is not conclusive evidence. The second is they were not exempt but they got safe and easy jobs far from the front lines. Iracundus 01:47, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Princes
Just as a note, and my own nitpick with the subs, the title of "Prince" (皇子, as in son of an emperor) actually is never used in the series to the best of my knowledge. The title Crown Prince (皇太子) does get used for the designated heir. The only known instances of the title Grand Duke (大公) all seem to be held by sons of the Kaiser. Grand Duke Herbert, Grand Duke Clementz, Grand Duke (in addition to his Crown Prince title) Richard etc... I wonder whether it is a de facto title for any princes in the Goldenbaum dynasty. Iracundus 03:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- Perhaps. For example, in East Slavic history, the title of Grand Duke and Prince/Grand Prince are often used interchangeably. In the Russian Empire the sons of the the Tsar were given the title of Veliky Knyaz, which can be translated as either Grand Duke or Grand Prince (although the latter is more accurate). —Goldenbaum Loyalist 17:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Imperial noble titles
Adccording to the German nobility system,
侯爵 (koushaku) must be translated to Fürst (Prince of...). It cannot be traslated as Markgraf (Marquis) which is just a form of Graf (Count). There is no tradition of promoting a Graf to a Markgraf (because it is the equal rank). If some Graf to be promoted, they will get promotion to Fürst, like German chancellor Otto von Bismarck.
Also in Japanese language, they have translated Fürst as 侯爵. For example, "Fürst von Bismarck" has been translated as ビスマルク侯爵.
Someone claimed that 侯爵 can be translated as Markgraf, that is wrong. The Japanese has translated Markgraf as 辺境伯 (henkyou-haku). WalkerEmp 09:40, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
