Talk:1st Fleet
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During the Civil War
I'm watching the entire series and am in the last bit of the first season where I noticed something peculiar. Where was the 1st Fleet during the coup d'etat? The 11th Fleet was the only fleet under the command of the NSMC yet the 1st Fleet was stationed, from what I understand, permanently in the Ba'alat Starzone. If the NSMC was in control of Heinessen, how did the 1st Fleet avoid becoming involved? I assume it was because of allegiance issues and that the NSMC was more than happy to simply keep them grounded, but that still does not satisfy my curiosities. Does anyone have any extra information on the 1st Fleet's status during the coup? Maybe something I missed or some other source explaining how the 1st Fleet managed to not become involved at all? Thanks. Strayor 04:48, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
- From what I know, they were indeed grounded for the entire duration of the civil war, which actually does seem to be a very flimsy excuse on hindsight to keep them out of the picture. However, there are a few possible reasons that could explain the 1st Fleet's lack of activity (they are merely speculations though and thus non-canonical). Apparently in the novels Vice Admiral Paetta, who became the Commander of the 1st Fleet, was placed under house arrest by the NSMC and this presumably disrupted the chain of command, making it difficult to mobilise the soldiers under the 1st Fleet. Even if the 1st Fleet's soldiers did managed to mobilise, all the NSMC needed to do was to secure the Heinessen spaceport and they could effectively ground the 1st Fleet since Alliance warships were not capable of atmospheric flight and thus the 1st Fleet's warships would be left idle in outer space. The only real question then is whether or not it was possible for the 1st Fleet's soldiers to organise a ground resistance and my guess is that given the adverse conditions (broken chain of command, rapidity of the NSMC in securing key locations), the 1st Fleet's soldiers might find it more prudent to lay low. Glacierfairy 09:51, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
- Perfect. I was hoping the novels would cover this issue. Thanks for filling me in. Also, while I am of course aware that the Alliance used shuttles to move to and from orbit, there are a few instances in the series where Alliance warships are in what I would consider atmosphere. Twice at Iserlohn, and once at Legnica. While I understand that a-grav systems would have been in place at Iserlohn, thereby allowing the Alliance ships to fly within its sphere, at Legnica the theory gets tested. Legnica may be a gas giant, but it still had gravity, more so than any habitable planet would. I'm no astrophysicist, but I am under the impression that even if they were in the planets high atmosphere the planets gravity would have still been exerting force on them exceeding what a small rocky planet could produce (someone please check me on that). Therefore I offer that Alliance ships were actually capable of atmospheric flight, but do to their utilitarian design, were not capable of landing, only docking, and that because it was more efficient to use shuttles anyway, Alliance ships rarely or never entered atmosphere. Sorry to go off on another tangent here. Strayor 14:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- It is alright. I should have phrased my words better actually. You are right about the Alliance atmospheric flight capability as shown in Legnica; it seems that they were only not capable of taking off and landing in planets with atmosphere. Iserlohn might be a special case after all since it appears to have a specialised docking system. Glacierfairy 15:51, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- Perfect. I was hoping the novels would cover this issue. Thanks for filling me in. Also, while I am of course aware that the Alliance used shuttles to move to and from orbit, there are a few instances in the series where Alliance warships are in what I would consider atmosphere. Twice at Iserlohn, and once at Legnica. While I understand that a-grav systems would have been in place at Iserlohn, thereby allowing the Alliance ships to fly within its sphere, at Legnica the theory gets tested. Legnica may be a gas giant, but it still had gravity, more so than any habitable planet would. I'm no astrophysicist, but I am under the impression that even if they were in the planets high atmosphere the planets gravity would have still been exerting force on them exceeding what a small rocky planet could produce (someone please check me on that). Therefore I offer that Alliance ships were actually capable of atmospheric flight, but do to their utilitarian design, were not capable of landing, only docking, and that because it was more efficient to use shuttles anyway, Alliance ships rarely or never entered atmosphere. Sorry to go off on another tangent here. Strayor 14:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
