Talk:Klaus von Lichtenlade

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Imperial Position?

What is Lichtenlade's position? Is it Premier or Secretary of State? Or Both?

I'm pretty sure I remember in Series 1 or 2 that it stated that one of the early Kaisers abolished the position of what is referred to a "prime minister" (e.g. premier) and that all Kaisers from that point on, including Friedrich were supported by what is referred to as a "secretary of state". Now I'm not sure of what the translations from Japanese are, but I think this implies that the positions aren't the same. It seems to state that Lichtenlade became "prime minister" the same time he was self-promoted to "duke" after Friedrich died and Erwin Josef got put on the throne.

I ask because I'm pretty sure he's referred to as "Secretary of State" in some articles and "Prime Minister" or "Premier" in others. If he held two separate positions technically then this would be appropriate.

Also, are "Secretary of State" or "Prime Minister" appropriate titles? If the Empire is intended to be Germanic shouldn't the title be "Chancellor" instead of "Premier" (and I'm not sure what the equivalent for secretary would be "Minister of State" perhaps? SUPCOM0356 18:10, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I see you've already found it, but just in case someone returns to this page looking for it, please see the discussion at Talk:Reinhard von Lohengramm#Premier or Prime Minister  ♥ kine @ 03:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I did some checking up and it seems that in the novels Lichtenlade actually assumed the position of Prime Minister (宰相) after the coronation of Erwin Josef II whereas before that he was the Minister of State (国務尚書) and Acting Prime Minister (宰相代理) under Friedrich IV. However, the anime muddled this up by making Lichtenlade retain his old position as Minister of State during Erwin Josef II's reign (eg. his title card in episode 18) but having him living in the Prime Minister's Residence (宰相府) (episode 26). Either way, it appears that we have decided to translate 宰相 in this wiki as "Prime Minister" instead of "Premier". More information regarding translation conventions can be found in this discussion, which is a follow-up on the discussion in Reinhard's talk page: Talk:Otfried III. Glacierfairy 04:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I believe that is how it is portrayed (albeit not in a clear way) in the anime as well. At least, that's how I understood it: that Lichtenlade became Prime Minister officially after Erwin Josef became Emperor and before that he held sort of a primus inter pares type position as minister of state among the Emperor's ministers. Thanks for the clarifications! SUPCOM0356 23:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Nobility rank

While translating the first season into my language I came across a question concerning Klaus von Lichtenlade. Could you please confirm what his title of nobility is?

This article refers to him as "marquis". That said, his panel in episode 8 refers to him as "国務尚書 リヒテンラーデ公クラウス", with "公" (correct me if I'm wrong) being the equivalent of "duke". Fast-forwarding to episode 11, his sign changes to "国務尚書 リヒテンラーデ侯クラウス", with "侯" being the equivalent of "marquis".

What is the general consensus on this issue? Mihai04 09:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Lichtenlade is a marquis. That particular error is probably present in the LaserDisc version, but the newer DVD version refers to him as "国務尚書 リヒテンラーデ侯クラウス" in both episodes 8 and 11. Glacierfairy 03:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response. This information will be very useful to me. Mihai04 09:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)