Talk:Pergamonn

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ONW differences

Ah, the Pergamon. She raises an interesting canon issue! In Overture to a New War, which IMO is a more canon account of the Battle of Astarte for several reasons (one: its from a longer movie, two: it follows the original novel account more closely, three: its newer, and therefore obviously any changes made were deliberate) - the Pergamon looks different - more distinctive, than it does in the first episode. Observe:-

http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/File:Pergamon-from-LOGH-Wiki.jpg

And this website is also helpful to show the differences:-

http://www.geocities.jp/izelone0079/mein-contents/doumei-kantai/pergamonn.html

Note the different numbers, antenna arrangement and the prominent structure on the dorsal side behind the prow. Which should be used?Vympel 14:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh, actually there are differences between all three flagships (Leonidas, Patroclus, Pergamon) but the Pergamon is the most pronounced.Vympel 14:38, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I guess this is related to my response on the Heilenheim page — i have always considered ONW to be lower-priority when it comes to canon. However, like i mentioned there, i'm not sure i can articulate a good reason; it's just how i feel. So i suppose this is something we need to discuss further at some point.  ♥ kine @ 15:17, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

That's cool - I'm about to hit the sack, but tomorrow I'll create a topic in the forum and we can hash it out. I note on the Heilenheim page you noted that you drifted through ONW - I thought it was fantastic so I can wax lyrical for a bit on all the things it adds to our understanding of Astarte- heck, simply because its got so much more time to do so. You might want to give it another shot. Vympel 15:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Love the info box!!! Vympel 07:42, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

One thing though - can we have a line for crew as well? The Fleet files give exact crew numbers. I tried to put it in for the Asgrimm, but it didn't work. Vympel 08:31, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey there, this is going back quite a way, but something occurred to me: If we're considering ONW's design to be canon, doesn't that raise issues with the measurements and such that we've taken from the FFC models?

For instance, ONW Pergamonn is clearly taller than OVA Pergamonn, and yet we maintain the FFC measurements that are derived from the OVA.

How do we address that?  ♥ kine @ 09:46, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Currently I just have the *possible* difference in dimensions noted in the section on appearance differences. My hope is that Alba Create / Wright Staff will do a special "ONW" Fleet File, which will sort these issues out. For what its worth, the Japanese page with the sprites gives the same dimensions. Speaking of, I check the Alba Create website at least once a weak, its very annoying there hasn't been any news on a new Fleet File since their "GX-01" preview. Its been almost six months .... Vympel 11:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, there's a BD rip of ONW?! Vympel 11:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Hm, i see. Yes, there are BD rips of ONW and GW (and MCISS, but that's old-school) on BakaBT. As an aside, i strongly dislike the lighting/colours in the space scenes in ONW. Especially with the Alliance ships, it looks god-damn terrible. These ones i've uploaded today are slightly colour-corrected in Photoshop (which i feel bad about but come on)  ♥ kine @ 14:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok cool. Re: colour, are you speaking in general terms about ONW or just the blu-ray? Vympel 15:40, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

In general. Colours and lighting for the internal scenes are OK, but external (space) scenes are terrible. Everything is much too dark  ♥ kine @ 15:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I didn't really have a problem with ONW in that regard - its MCISS' blu-ray rip that is waaaaaaaay too dark, in my experience. But your screencaps look good. Vympel 01:51, 11 December 2011 (UTC)