User talk:SUPCOM0356

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Hey there, saw you left a thing on my talk page and then deleted it. I assume you discovered that the infobox for characters does have mother/father/whatever, right? Here is the documentation on the infobox template, if you like. Let me know if you have any other questions/issues!  ♥ kine @ 16:29, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

• I did, thanks. The template must not have rendered correctly when I initially looked at it. My bad :-P Thanks for the quick response! SUPCOM0356 20:03, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Shadow commentary

During the first season, Oberstein has several commentaries regarding the nature of the "shadow" that inevitably follows the "light." I'm assuming that the light refers to Reinhard, however, after re-watching a number of times, in conjunction with the final episode when he comments while he is alone with Kircheis' body, I'm unsure if he was referring to Kircheis or himself as the shadow.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? I think it's assumed that Kircheis is the shadow because of their relationship but I could very much see what Oberstein said being interpreted to mean that he himself is the shadow doing all the dirty deeds which would mean when he makes the comment about the light "dimming" along with the shadow after Kircheis' death that he's afraid that if Reinhard becomes weak due to the loss of Kircheis that he too will become weak. This would also support the idea that Kircheis was a part of Reinhard (Kircheis thus also being part of the "light" Oberstein refers to) as Kircheis and Oberstein really were representations of different aspects of Reinhard's character. Without Kircheis, Reinhard's more ambitious tendencies were not kept in check as often as they were when Kircheis was constantly at his side as the series went on.

I may be reading too deeply into it but I'm interested in any other thoughts. SUPCOM0356 08:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Kircheis is the light, Oberstein the shadow. Kircheis was the one that acted always in the ideals of justice and mercy, and shunned underhanded tactics even when these might be arguably the more effective path. Oberstein was more pragmatic and did all the dirty shadowy stuff that was needed. They threw each other's actions into contrast. Oberstein's objections to Kircheis was due to Kircheis being a potential second focus of loyalty and power for others, since he was clearly favored above all others by Reinhard. Oberstein's philosophy was pretty much that there should not be anyone else that could form a potential separate power base of their own and thus be a threat to the ruler, hence his insistence that Reinhard should not play favorites and should treat Kircheis professionally like any other subordinate and not as a friend. Iracundus 08:43, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

That was my thought as well. Just wanted to confirm that my thoughts weren't completely crazy. I firmly believe that things might have turned out a lot differently had Kircheis remainded alive (which I personally regret since he was one of my two favorite characters, the other being Reuenthal who also had an unfortunately tragic end due to the machinations of Oberstein as well). Appreciate the insight. Thanks. SUPCOM0356 18:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)