Talk:Ajax

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Content 'back-up'

This is a 'back-up' i guess of some of the content that was formerly on this page:

==Mechanical details==
Length: 1179 metres
Width: 172 metres
Height: 358 metres
Armament: 32 forward cannons; 54 port cannons; 54 starboard cannons.
Crew:

I haven't been able to confirm any of the above — in fact the sprite guy's Web site directly contradicts it — so i'm removing it for now. If we can get specific confirmation and citation of this, please re-add.

The ''Ajax'' was one of the Alliance fleet flagships in the latter days of their war against the [[Galactic Empire]], under the command of {{rank|fpa|vice admiral}} [[Paetta]].

Was it Paetta's? From Vympel's talk page, it seems like this is unconfirmed. For now i'm going to stick with what we absolutely know, and if anyone can prove it went to Paetta please re-add this.

Few combat records exist, but it is probably that the ''Ajax'' survived the war up to the end, though there is no information as to whether or not the crew chose to surrender, or die fighting, after the FPA leadership surrendered.

This part is pure speculation and/or redundancy (i prefer not to state in articles that 'few records exist' about things since it's obvious from our lack of information), so i've removed it as well.  ♥ kine @ 05:36, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Licensed Sources

It would be interesting to see what we know about this ship purely from other ships based on it. The article on Shiva indicates that the prototype hulls were around by 780 UC, but by the time of the series, was already being considered for replacement by the Triglav-class. The design itself was preceded by Hyperion's generation, but was already the standard flagship type in service with most fleets by UC 796. It was already being widely modified as evidenced by the various configurations seen in service, the most common ones seeming to be range-enhanced models like Perun, Quetzlcoatl, and Rio Grande.

I do wonder about its listed primary armament, however, since the Cu Chulainn article notes that its simplified and reduced armament was 30 cannons, compared to a standard Ajax-class. Cu Chulainn was one of the earlier ships of this class, having been commissioned in 782 UC; the more common 40 cannon ships have commissioning dates in the mid 780s. Of course, the sources do seem to conflict on other points. Just a few things I noticed, since this ship, despite being the progenitor of the others, has surprisingly little information available. The one092001 21:21, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Probably what happened is that the armament was considered finalised on the Patoroklos rather than the Ajax - the Ajax does have a distinctly 'prototype' vibe about it, given the exposed internal structure on the prow (where there really should be two additional cannons) and what not. Vympel 05:15, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Much of what we know about the Ajax class is derived from the latter ships in the class. From looking at all the various FFC and Databook entries together, it appears the Alliance wanted a common line of flagships for ease of construction and maintenance, from which further individual modifications could be made. Overall it seems the flagships have a much shorter lifespan than the mass production class, which makes sense within the LOGH paradigm where the flagships appear to serve as the field test prototypes of new technologies before widespread dissemination. It does appear that by the 790's, it was about time for a new generation of ships, and ships like the Triglav showed that the Alliance was looking at more radically different designs, though ultimately these plans were curtailed by resource limitations and military defeat. Compared to the Brünhild, the Alliance's designs in curved armor, such as the Leda II, are much more modest and more evolutionary rather than revolutionary, though again this might be a constraint of limited budget and resources. Iracundus 10:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)