User talk:Vympel

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Contents 1 New Merch 2 State of the Gineipaedia 3 Alba creates update 4 Alliance Missile Cruiser sketch 5 FFC models 6 Alliance bridge layouts 7 Lobos's ship in MCISS 8 FF10 Shiva entry 9 Forum update 10 Image citation idea / changes 11 Ship italics 12 Another thing — images 13 Various things 14 Rank tags 15 Traffic stats 16 Re: ship articles, &c. 17 Imperial Fleet 18 Hello; names 19 Greetings 20 Anonymous user inserting misinformation 21 HDIVE's official sub 22 Images 23 Combined pages for DNT & OVA

New Merch

http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP57682/App http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP57688/App http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP57785/App http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP57786/App http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP57689/App http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP57685/App http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP57684/App

Patches included - images might be useful for the wiki. Vympel 11:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Meh, I'll be more impressed if they can come up with a good looking Imperial uniform to sell. Iracundus 13:49, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

It'd have to be the Goldenlowe empire in that case - the Goldebaum uniform would require way too much metal. Vympel 14:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

State of the Gineipaedia

Hey, wanted to alert you to this post:

http://logh.omgforum.net/t27-state-of-the-gineipaedia#148

Hopefully others will see it from here, i don't really feel like it deserves a spot on the front page :)  ♥ kine @ 00:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, posted :) Vympel 04:59, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Alba creates update

Completed model update, featuring Forseti, Pergamonn and the Santa Isabel. Iracundus 06:47, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, spotted that the other day. Wish they'd hurry up and tease a new FFC. Nevermind that FFC GX-01 still doesn't appear to have hit shelves yet ... Vympel 08:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Alliance Missile Cruiser sketch

Did anyone manage to save the LD art binder sketches of the missile cruiser? The site that originally had it, www.otakubell.com, has had its content shut down. In an unusual quirk, the Japanese DVDs do not include the sketch for this particular Alliance ship. Iracundus 14:30, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Luckily I nabbed it and pretty much everything else that looked like it had a ship on it. I'll put a link up to it tonight Vympel 22:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

FFC models

Hey there. A friend got me FFC5 as a slightly belated Christmas present and i wanted to ask you: What do you do with yours? Did you assemble them all or just leave them in the box? And if the former, did you have to use glue or anything to stick the antennas and radiators on? I don't know anything about models so i'm not sure really what i'm doing :/

Also, on the Goldenlöwe version of the Salamander, it seems like there's a printing error or something — on one side of the ship the crest is printed twice, and one of them is upside-down. Is yours like that?  ♥ kine @ 07:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Heya - mine are all in their boxes still. I'm not only scared of assembling them wrong, and I also don't have much space currently - I want a dedicated display case (with closing glass doors) to keep out dust. In relation to the antennae and all that, pretty sure you'll need glue, and maybe a little hobby knife perhaps to get rid of any plastic residue from the sprues they're attached to. I just checked my FFC5 box - definitely an error unique to yours, mine looks how its supposed to. Personally for such a high-end item, I'd consider returning it (presumably your kind friend got it from HLJ?) and asking for a replacement. Its just not good enough. Might take a while though. Vympel 08:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure where he got it; i was kind of afraid to ask, because it honestly seems like too expensive of a gift, and i didn't want my suspicions confirmed. :/ But i can accept that mine has that flaw either way. I've attached a photo so you can see it, too, if you're interested

In any case i will probably assemble mine eventually i guess. My two friends at work (the one who got it for me and another one) are both into WarHammer and Gundam and stuff like that so they know a fair bit about it and they cut the antennas and stuff out for me. I might have one of them do the gluing too since i fear i'm incompetent when it comes to those kinds of things

PS: My other friend said that golf-ball display cases work well for models like these. He uses them for WarHammer stuff  ♥ kine @ 08:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the info - that should work a treat. Now I just need a display case for my sideshow collectibles 12' Star Wars figures :) I've always wondered if there are professional model builders who will build models for you for a fee - if that's the case then I'll buy all the Alba Create 1/5000 scale models of the ships available right now! Looking at that screenshot, it looks like what happened is that applying the Goldenl­öwe decal is a two-stage process, and they mucked up one stage. Vympel 09:40, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I have some Alba models assembled but the antennas are the worst (especially Alliance ships) as any real movement will knock them over since there is so little actual contact area for glue. The other alternative might be to drill them in (and that's not something I dare do for fear of destroying detail). Unfortunately my Rio Grande lost all its antennas in a house move...These things aren't really made for being packed away. Iracundus 12:26, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Damn. Are you referring to the 1/5000 models or the 1/12000 models? Vympel 22:59, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

The 1/5000 models. I got the Alba 1/5000's because there were no FFC's in those early days. Iracundus 02:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

FFCV10 is inaccessible. Almael 15:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't know if I still have the zip file. Let me get back to you. Maybe Iracundus nabbed it. Vympel 11:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Alliance bridge layouts

I admit this is speculative but I have been wondering now for some time whether the three tiered layout of Alliance bridges is meant to be some sort of visual reference to the "pagoda mast" superstructure designs on Japanese battleships during WWII. I can find no concrete data to substantiate this however. Iracundus 08:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, completely missed this until just now - its an interesting bit of speculation, they do resemble that. Vympel 00:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Lobos's ship in MCISS

Hey... don't interrupt your game for this or anything, but whenever you have a chance, can you verify something i'm seeing in MCISS?

It seems to me like Lobos has his own special command ship in MCISS. It looks exactly like the Patoroklos, but both the hull and the bridge are beige-coloured (like the Airget lamh). There are no pennant numbers on any of the flagships, and Paetta does appear at least twice on the same ship with Lobos, and it's not mentioned on that Japanese site with the sprite graphics, so those are three reasons why i'm not sure. But Lobos and Greenhill appear late in the film on the beige bridge without Paetta, and there definitely seems to be a difference in colours.

You're good at picking these little ship details out so: Am i right? And if i am, is it something we already know about? And if it is, does we know its name?  ♥ kine @ 11:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the spam, but here's the image. :)  ♥ kine @ 15:00, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

It is the Ajax Iracundus 22:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Iracundus beat me to it, but yeah it is a special command ship and its called the Ajax according to all the websites I've seen. We also see it in Season 1 of the Gaiden (Yang serves on it for a time) - if anyone gets their hands on the blu-rays or the DVDs we might get a look at the official name caption :) Also it is actually mentioned on that website with the sprites, here: http://www.geocities.jp/izelone0079/mein-contents/doumei-kantai/ajax.html. What differentiates it from Patoroklos apart from colour is the "cutouts" on the prow amongst the cannons, otherwise its pretty identical. IIRC the fluff may say it was a prototype for the entire 'line' of flagships we see. Iracundus would know about that I hope. Vympel 23:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Here's some more "official" confirmation from the Alba Creates website btw:- http://www.alba-creates.com/seihin_list.html - click on the link next to "アイアース" (the model appears to come with an Alliance missile cruiser also from Season 1 of the Gaiden). Vympel 23:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Doing a proper page for Ajax was something I've been putting off for a while because whilst I knew the ship and whose it was, I have no idea which fleet it is the flagship of. The Japanese fansites say its the 1st fleet flagship, and I'm sure they're right, but how to confirm? And if it is the 1st Fleet flagship, does that mean Paetta commanded it when he became 1st Fleet commander?Vympel 23:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The Fleet File entry for the Leda II mentions how it has fuel scoops like the Ajax class flagships, which implies the Ajax was indeed the first in this class of the Alliance flagships for all the numbered Fleets. The times when it has appeared, its Japanese kanji subtitle have titled it as Alliance supreme flagship, rather than specifically 1st Fleet flagship. That is a title it shared with the Hard Luck, which had the number 0001. It is unclear whether Paetta took it when he became 1st Fleet commander or whether he took his old flagship with him as flagship. Certainly by the time of the final dissolution of the Alliance, the Rio Grande had filled the role of supreme flagship, even though it still had its old 0501 number. Iracundus 00:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Cool, that's more than enough then to work on the page. Vympel 01:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Ahh! I had that name in the back of my mind when i saw it, mostly because our page has very little on it, but i (apparently) missed it on that sprite guy's page so i thought i must be wrong. That is all helpful, ty ty  ♥ kine @ 05:15, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

FF10 Shiva entry

Considering the Shiva seems to have been chosen for feature article, is there any chance of a scan of the relevant Fleet File booklet entry? I might be able to squeeze some meaning out of it. Iracundus 12:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I've been meaning to scan it - I'll take the booklet to work tomorrow and scan it when I have a free moment. Vympel 13:38, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for scanning it! Too busy with other stuff right now to go through all of them like i did for the others, but i have added the one for the Shiva as requested. If either of you decide you don't want to wait for me, feel free to do the rest yourself — just make sure they're approximately like the others (about 1500 px wide, remove the artist name, get rid of any dark splotches). Otherwise i'll get them later :)

PS: I don't mean to monopolise the featured-article selection, if you guys have suggestions, feel free to let me know. I've just been trying to keep a decent balance between ship articles (which are almost all fabulously done, complete, and well-sourced — thanks to you guys) and everything-else articles (some of which are quite lengthy, but most are not well-sourced or formatted)  ♥ kine @ 09:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

FYI, grabbed the remaining FFC10 images (except for the Theodoricus, which was exactly the same as the one we already had, just with a different crest). I also made an article for the Dolohoff III since it was easy.  ♥ kine @ 07:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks kine! Well done. Dolohoff was on my list - TESV: Skyrim has taken up so much of my time, its put my contributions on hold! Vympel 10:01, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I understand. Enjoy yourself :)  ♥ kine @ 10:38, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Forum update

Hi there! Wanted to leave this here to make sure you saw it: I posted something on the staff forum for you guys. Go look  ♥ kine @ 06:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Image citation idea / changes

Leaving this on your talk page to make absolutely sure you see it :)

I've made some changes that i think will be very nice if we can get everyone doing it. Here's what i've done:

1. I've changed the {{logh}} template so that if the second value is the letter i (for example, {{logh|025|i}}), and the name space of the page it's in is File:, then it will automatically add the file to the appropriate 'images by episode' category (such as Images from Legend of Galactic Heroes (OVA) episode 025).

[I added the i requirement for two reasons: (1) Not all files in the File: name space will be images, and (2) it's conceivable that we'll want to use those citation templates without adding the image to those categories (for example, when doing a comparison between two episodes).]

2. I want to expand this even further, so that simply citing the episode number will add to both the 'by episode' category AND the 'by series' category. For example, it should be able to place 025 in Images from Legend of Galactic Heroes (OVA) series 1. I haven't yet made this change though

3. I've updated all of the images that currently had citations so that they include that i in them. You can see an example at File:Salamander.jpg (check the source code).

So, my questions are:

Do you think this is a good idea?

Is there any way it can be improved that you can think of (even if you don't get how templates work, maybe you have an idea for something that needs to be more automated or whatever) ?

If it is a good idea, can you start adding that little |i at the end of image citations?

(PS: Do you prefer that i leave you new messages at the top or the bottom?)  ♥ kine @ 05:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Top is fine so I don't have to scroll :) This seems like a good idea, I'll happily start adding the i after images. Not sure of any further improvements though. I'll keep you posted. Oh, whilst we're talking about 'making sure you've seen it', refer to the talk page in the amusements thing re: Gaiden BD images, thanx :) Vympel 05:28, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Ship italics

Hi, sorry if i'm spamming you but i wanted to answer your Masasoite question and i was afraid that i might do some work later today and you'd miss it. The titles are automatically made italic by the vessel infobox template, so any page that you add that to will be effected. (You can disable it, on Valkyrie/Spartanian articles for example, by adding a line that says 'disable-italics = yes'.)

You won't be able to see the italics when you're editing or previewing the page though. It will only show up after it's saved. I don't know why it's like that but that's how they made it  ♥ kine @ 18:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Another thing — images

Oh, i've been meaning to ask you about something. It may just be me being completely absurd and asking too much, so if that's the case just ignore me, but:

In most of the frames of the OVA (even including the BD rips), there are black lines on the very edge of the screen, usually on the top and left/right side. What i have been doing is clipping these off, because the black line shows up as a gap in the thumb-nails and i find it unattractive. For any future image uploads, would you be willing to do the same?

To preserve (approximately) the aspect ratio of the original image, what i have been doing is clipping off the same number of pixels on each side. For example, if there's a 3px black line on the right side, then i clip 3px off the right and then 3px off the top or bottom to balance it out.

If that's too much work, feel free to just not do it, i will eventually get around to replacing any of the ones i dislike. :) cheers  ♥ kine @ 14:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

To be honest I never noticed. I don't actually know how to clip images in the manner you refer - let me know how and I'll be sure to do it from now on. Vympel 14:59, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah i suspected you might not, i am just a ridiculous person about some things. I forgot, which image editor are you using? If it's mspaint, then don't worry about it, because messing with that is a waste of time that even i would not ask of you :p  ♥ kine @ 15:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, just MS Paint. I don't have any fancy programs on this new machine. :) Vympel 02:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I was unable to find any of the LD version available. :) They all seem to be removed or dead. If you know a working one let me know. Also if there is ever going to be a renewed HQ LD release version, I want it more so than the DVD version. The LD is definitely better than DVD, and I assume the BD is exactly like the DVD version but with higher resolution. I just don't want all the blurs and blend-ins/away (cuts) from the later versions. Almael 10:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I imagine its a lot like the SW special editions in that respect. :) For my part, comparing the two, the remastered DVD is far and away the superior release. The blurs added to flashbacks are a really minor issue (being highly infrequent), and not nearly a big enough deal to me to prefer the otherwise totally inferior quality of the LD rip. Vympel 10:43, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Various things

Hi again! A few updates for you, and a question:

1. Rank links are partially updated. I think i got all of the Alliance ones, will work on the Imperial ones next.

2. I have successfully replaced most instances of 'FPA' and 'ship' in category/article names and links with 'Alliance' and 'vessel', as we'd discussed. Carrying over the style you've been using for a while now, i think we should probably make 'Alliance' the preferred terminology instead of 'FPA'. (It kind of sounds better, and it matches what's used in the Japanese dialogue.) Then i believe the only other major thing that needs changed is 'FPA–Imperial War' and the like, but i'll hold off on that.

3. Oh, edit: I also finished updating the LaserDisc/DVD name citation things. There will be a few left that had unusual formatting, but i think i've got 90% of them.

4. Question: Should we start italicising vessel names? It is the traditional style, and Wikipedia, Memory Alpha, and Wookieepedia all do it... but i don't know. I could go either way. You're the ship expert so i figured i'd leave it up to you.

ty  ♥ kine @ 06:39, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey man - thanks for all your work lately. Funny, italicising names never occured to me. I'll try it out in my next ship entry, see how it looks. I've been a bit busy last few days - working on my month battle post (this month its attack on Earth) and I saw Transformers 3 last night. Next couple of days I'll be back on it. I was hoping episode 103-110 would be ready so I could do Droisen's Kücrain, or find my ideal screenshot of Eisenach's Vissarr (its from Episode 107, lovely pic of it), but it may I'll just have to put up a different screencap and change it later. Vympel 07:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, that's fair (on all counts — except maybe Transformers :p). I think there are decent shots of a few things (ships and otherwise) in that Earth arc, i'll watch and see what you do with it  ♥ kine @ 07:10, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh! By the way, i've just checked and it looks like CA released the last instalment just a few hours ago! Link is on their forum as usual, gl  ♥ kine @ 07:12, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Awesome man, thanks for the heads up! Can't wait for em!Vympel 08:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Rank tags

FYI, you don't have to change all of those rank things by hand, i can have the bot find-and-replace them all. I'm just lazy. :/\/\ I will try to do it soon though  ♥ kine @ 09:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

LOL. Oh well, I've done it now. Could you set the bot to set all the LaserDisc / LD and DVD stuff to one consistent standard? I like LD/DVD format the best (i.e. the one you've been using recently) :)Vympel 10:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, meant to do that too. What i should eventually do is have it run automatically for some of these easy changes (especially the LD/DVD ones), but as i said i'm lazy. I will try to do something this week  ♥ kine @ 17:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Traffic stats

Hey bud, thought you might be interested to know that i've posted detailed traffic stats in the staff forum!  ♥ kine @ 15:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: ship articles, &c.

Hey there. Brilliant job on the ship articles, they are really coming along! I wanted to ask your thoughts on what we should do when information is not available for a ship though. Several of our articles seem to be fully sourced from Fleet Files as far as their mechanical details, but because the FF thing doesn't always include complete information, we have stuff like '? forward cannons' or whatever.

Is that a conscious choice you've been making, or something else? My thoughts personally would be that we shouldn't include place-holders as a rule, but you are the ship expert, what do you reckon?

Also, i have been updating a lot of name variations recently, and in doing so it occurred to me that we've never come up with a formal standard for the ordering. It's a minor thing, but i think it's important for consistency. What do you think about something like this (obviously omitting any that are not applicable)?

• English name (Original DVD subtitles)
• English name (LaserDisc subtitles)
• English name (Fleet File Collection Vol.#)
• Japanese name (Original DVD subtitles)
• Japanese name (LaserDisc subtitles)
• Japanese name (Fleet File Collection Vol.#)
• English name (English fan sources)
• Japanese name (Japanese fan sources)

In other words, official English names first, then official Japanese names, then unofficial English names, then unofficial Japanese names. Is that logical? Let me know what you think, and if you agree i'll update our policy pages

PS: You can cite FF with the full name by doing this: {{ffc|#|full}}. It won't be superscripted or anything, it'll just link to it normally  ♥ kine @ 06:12, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey mate, thanks! I've been putting "?" in as a concious choice, because in terms of some ships (especially Imperial ships) we simply don't know (I'm thinking specifically of Brunhild, Nurnber, and Perceval). I was going to raise this, but I'm wondering if "armament" should be deleted from the ship info box altogether. In many cases, we can only determine the *minimum* amount of cannons from when we see them fire one time. Perhaps the number of cannon should instead be noted in a "Design" section in the main article? I dunno to be honest. Maybe I should replace "?" with "unknown".

I agree with the name variation order (noting for the sake of completeness that the FFCs don't have any English, sadly) - I averted my mind to the need for all the articles to have the same name variation order in the past few days, I believe I've been following that order, more or less. I say go for it. Thanks for the headsup re citation codes btw.

Also for the record, in terms of FFC citations for "crested" or otherwise named standard battleships which aren't given specific FFC treatment (i.e. Sindur, Langenberg, Theodoricus, Watzmann etc have been given specific miniature treatment, but so far Heilenheim hasn't), I'm simply going to give them FFC citations from one of the collections which have a non-crested, unnamed ship. All the specs (including crew) are exactly the same anyway. Vympel 06:57, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, my thinking on the '?' thing was just that if it's unknown for any reason, we would not mention it at all (like you could just delete that line from the infobox code and it won't even appear). That is what we do for the other infoboxes (like if we don't know a character's birth date, we just don't mention it).

As far as getting rid of it entirely, i'm not sure i understand. Is all of our information on the subject of armaments just coming from someone counting up the number of little holes on the sides of the ships or something? I had assumed it was sourced to something :x

On the last part, that seems reasonable to me, as long as we can be sure that they are the same ship of course  ♥ kine @ 13:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yup, its just counting up holes (someone started doing it on the old wiki, I just followed). Its not entirely unreasonable IMO, that is what those holes are, after all (we have more than enough evidence from the show to establish that). Though there is the question of some holes being different sizes and perhaps serving a different function .... Vympel 13:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Hm, it is tricky. I would say that we can be 95% sure of forward cannons, but for the other parts of the ship i think you're right, that can get tricky. Especially since it's been demonstrated (in Julian's first Spartanian battle) that some of the weapons have shutters that blend in seamlessly with the ship hulls. :/ I am open to whatever you think on that subject, if you want to get rid of them then you can just delete the armament line from the infoboxes. (However, i would suggest saving them somewhere first if you do, so they're easy to find)  ♥ kine @ 13:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Imperial Fleet

I don't know if you've noticed, but I've added a bunch of links (that don't lead anywhere) to an intended page called "Imperial Fleet." Since you've been working a lot with ship information, I was wondering if you knew much about the Fleet's composition? Command hierarchy, that kind of thing. It's all a bit confusing to me, as the Empire seems to have BOTH a professional military service (under the command of the high admirals who answer directly to the Kaiser) AND more feudal-style armies, that answer directly to local lords. Otherwise I'm a bit confused about how Braunschweig and Littenheim were able to muster such a big fleet without being soldiers. Unless that was all just Merkatz' fleet in the civil war? But that doesn't make much sense to me, either.

So, basically, I'd like to try and discuss these various issues sometime. Maybe tomorrow or the next day I'll make a crude Imperial Fleet page and we can try and figure things out there. At the very least, I'd like to assign names for the various fleets we know about, even if it's only so simple as "Kircheis Fleet" and "Reuenthal Fleet." To my recollection, the only imperial fleet with an actual name is the Black Lancers. Canary 05:30, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Yup I've noticed, no problems. I'm happy to hash that sort of stuff out. Go ahead and make that page and I'll be there and we can talk shop. :) Vympel 06:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello; names

Firstly, hi!

Secondly, i wanted to bring this up, since i know you're into the ships and everything: I'd seen that you had renamed some of the ships on LOGH Wiki to correspond to their real-life translations. Just so you know (in case you didn't see it in the Canon policy), all of the names on the wiki here have to be sourced from one of the ones used in the anime subtitles — even if they're wrong, like Bang-goo. (But you can put the real-life inspirations in the 'Background information' section, like i've done in that article.)

I know you haven't renamed any yet, but i just wanted to let you know now so that nobody wastes their time. :) Cheers  ♥ kine

Hey mate,

Yeah I thought that might be an issue so I held off from doing so. I did make a thread about it in the LOGH wiki forum though, just to let you guys know my thoughts. Vympel 07:00, 25 April 2011 (PDT)

Oh, i didn't notice. I'll check out your post there, cheers  ♥ kine

Greetings

Stumbled across this gineipaedia while browsing.

I was someone involved in the fansubbing of season 2 of the LOGH series as shown at Cornell University in 2000, from the Chinese VCD subs. I am also in possession of the remastered DVD versions (original from Japan), which includes Chinese subs, updated ship titles and some production sketches, as well as the LOGH Data Book in Japanese (of which I can partially decipher some). I also have all the side stories, including Spiral Labyrinth which depicts the 2nd Battle of Tiamat. For any technical history, the changes in style between the old ships as seen at Dagon, the ships at the 2nd Battle of Tiamat, and the "modern" ships of the OVA era would probably need some rationalizing. There doesn't seem to be explicit reasoning given.

I have also partially completed a Chinese-English translation of the LOGH side story "The Battle of Starzone Dagon" (from a Chinese webpage which had the Japanese to Chinese translation).

I am curious as to this wiki's position on the canonicity of the reference book information (which includes some timeline on the histories of some of the lesser FPA flagships) and also if I were to finish the rest of the Dagon translation. If you were hoping for detailed exhaustive statistics, I'm afraid you will be disappointed however. The data book is written from the perspective of a FPA magazine publication without high level security clearance so much data is missing, and there are some potential inconsistencies with what is observed in the anime.

FYI: The Imperial ship count at Dagon was 52,600. No precise FPA count is given but in the narrative it is mentioned that the Imperial fleet is approximately 2 times that of the FPA.

Also from the data book, it appears that the flagships are prototypes or test beds of new technology before it is disseminated into widespread mass production for the standard ships. The flagships in the data book are sometimes described with various improved or upgraded systems. It also appears from the entries that the FPA was also on the verge of a new generation of ships, much as how the Brunhild and Parzival heralded a new era of Imperial ship design. The Leda II was a forerunner for the new generation of cruisers much as Triglav was a prototype for the new generation of battleships (the Triglav's entry in the data book suggests there were plans to construct 3 additional ships) . These plans and the new generation of ships were however effectively aborted after the Battle of Amritsar and subsequent civil war.

Hi, good to hear from you! Have a look at our canon section in the 'policy' part of the wiki (check the sidebar). We have a pretty inclusive canon policy where the rule is basically that the anime takes precedence, but by all means mention other material. IMO, in practice, such conflicts rarely arise because there's very little in the main series, films and gaiden to contradict anything. I personally am in possession of the Fleet Files 1-10 currently being brought out by Wright Staff/ Alba Create, and the stuff you mention about Dagon Starzone is something I believe is in the booklets that come with those miniatures as well (relating to the old-style Dagon warships). I'm not a translator though so basically the books only tell me dimensions and crew numbers, lol. You'll find citations for those (i.e. dimensions and crew numbers) in several of the warships entries, but given you sound like a big fan, I'm sure you're familiar with the FFC series anyway.

One thing I'm very interested in is the DVD remastered versions of the Gaiden. The versions available for download from Central Anime are completely absent the captions that name ships/ characters (except for Spiral Labyrinth, oddly enough) and this is something the wiki needs for characters / ships which are Gaiden-exclusive (though Gaiden-exclusive ships are often named on fansites, we do like to list all the variations possible, as you will have seen). If you could provide this information, it would be much appreciated.

Anyway, please stay and contribute if you have the time. There's really only three or so of us working on the wiki and though I'm proud of how well we're doing, helping hands are needed. All you need to do is familiarize yourself with our citation policies and other rules - I suggest you contact kine about issues relating to citations for specific sources. Oh, and remember to signature with:- "~~~~".Vympel 11:30, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh and I forgot to mention, at least kine and I are in possession of the QTS rips of the DVD version of the main series (in addition to Central Anime's superb DVD remaster fansub, as well as the original LD fansub) so we are aware of the revised DVD names, as you might see in various entries for charactes and ships, we use the DVD version to head the articles and then list variations (including what the "real" name probably is - i.e. Parzival vs Perceval or Parcivale) further on down. It was essential to get the QTS rips since Central Anime's DVD fansub reuses the old laserdisc captions for character, ship and location names. But yeah, no such luck with obtaining any captions for ship/characters/locations for the Gaiden! Vympel 11:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I would still like clarification on a few things. The policy lists "licensed reference works" as non-canon, which seems to describe the data book and its entries (some of which relate to the general universe). For example, in the data book entry on the FPA standard carrier which uses the Alba model for the Ameretat, it says the FPA's first carrier was the Washington class, debuted in 750 UC, and only had a capacity of 12 fighters. It also says the Ameretat was completed in February 788 UC and was first assigned to the 8th Fleet on 1 March 788. Would such information about the ship's past still be considered valid for purposes of say an article on the Ameretat or FPA carriers in general, since strictly speaking it is neither vessel dimension nor stats? Or would such information about the technology and ships (or historical progression of either) be consigned to Apocrypha?

The other issue is resolution of conflicting data, where they are of approximately equal canonical value?. For example, the number of guns as reported by the data book for the Ulysses differs from what is currently in the infobox: 8 20cm neutron beam cannons, 22 15cm electron beam cannons, 6 12 cm rail guns, 12 missile launch tubes, etc... Iracundus 12:08, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok, to quote the canon section:-

"[list of 'non-canon' stuff] Information from these sources can be used in articles, but they should only appear in 'real-life' articles (such as articles about the series itself) or in the 'Apocrypha' or 'Background information' sections of 'in-universe' articles. Usage of these sources within 'in-universe' articles should be limited to interesting facts relevant to the topic at hand or to data that fills in gaps of understanding."

I understand what you mean re: the Ulysses' guns, when you look at weapons counts all I've really done is count the holes on the models / ships / fleet file drawings, without making claims as to what they are. To be honest, I'm not sure if that section in the info-box should even stay, but that's a matter for the future. But that info re the Ulysses is just the sort of info to put in apocrypha, per the current policy, I think. It just needs to be cited like anything else. Vympel 13:16, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous user inserting misinformation

71.195.10.41 inserting inaccurate and/or unverified information with misspellings or inaccurate grammar and trying to change Terra back to Earth. Edits noted to be similar to 204.169.64.37 who was previously banned for doing the same. Iracundus 21:25, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up - blocked him. Vympel 00:01, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

HDIVE's official sub

It's much appreciated - but I can't believe they don't have captions for any of the characters or ship names. I mean come on. Vympel 12:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Now I'm curious about the subtitles. Are they different from the names we have here? Glacierfairy 13:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I've only seen most of the first episode - there's surprisingly not a lot of names being said. But the quality of the translation? It seems better. A lot more detail. Vympel 14:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I see. Well, I can only hope that there are not too many differences, otherwise we may have to revisit our naming policy. Glacierfairy 02:03, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Images

Hey! Thanks for replacing those images, the Nemesis ones i took are really shitty. I'd been meaning to replace like all of them by Blu-ray ones, but i'm focussed on other things at the moment obv.

Anyway, i wanted to ask, if you're going on your own replacement spree, and you have the tools/ability, can you clip off the black lines that appear on the edges of the images? It's not mentioned in the policy anywhere, but if you look at the history on those files you'll see that the ones you're replacing are 1 to 3 pixels smaller because of that. It's not super noticeable with the current skin, but when we switch to the lighter one it'll stand out pretty bad.

If you can't do that or just don't feel like it, that's cool too, we can fix them later.  ♥ kine @ 08:20, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Ack! I totally forgot about that issue! What tools do you use to do it? I'll be happy to effect the changes. Vympel 08:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I use Photoshop, but that costs money obv. Assuming you're on Windows, i would suggest either GIMP or Paint.NET. (You can also use the built-in Paint tool, but the last time i used it — which was admittedly a long time ago — it had really shitty JPEG compression, so maybe only do that if you take PNGs.)

The way i do it Photoshop is select the whole image (Ctrl+A), use the arrow keys to shift the selection down/over a few pixels (zooming in if necessary), and then select 'crop' from the menu. It should be similar in those other tools.  ♥ kine @ 08:35, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, you can probably remove them from Category:Images to replace, too. I mean, like i said, i still want to replace them anyway, but that category was meant specifically for LD/Nemesis images  ♥ kine @ 08:38, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I gave GIMP a shot but I just found it totally unsatisfactory - it highlights the image with this annoying border that basically erases the part of the image I was trying to crop, and it had no (that I could see, anyway) arrow-key or similar functionality to use instead of trying to use my mouse like I was disarming a bomb. I'll try paint.net. Adobe Photoshop is probably a non-starter given they've moved to that outrageous monthly subscription model. Vympel 09:57, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok so paint.net has the key-stroke functionality, so long as I'm holding down LMB with the selection box. Just had a go at Braunschweig as a test run. What do you think? Vympel 10:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, GIMP's interface is known for being shitty.

I think Braunschweig is better (though there's still a bit on the top and right edges), but... i went to compare it to the previous one, and it says you deleted it, and i can't undo it. It seems like the revision history for all of those files is just gone. The time stamps line up with when you removed those categories — did it give you a warning or anything when you edited those? The revision history was there when i posted before :/  ♥ kine @ 05:35, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah, dammit. I deleted it yes- I had a bunch of windows open and was deleting the old Nemesis images I had replaced because I'm OCD, and I did my own Braunschweig without thinking you needed to see it to compare. When I get home tonight I'll have another go on Braunschweig and leave the previous one there so you can see it. Vympel 05:44, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

No need to delete them, in the future — it's nice to have the history there. Not sure why i can't undelete it, that irritates me. Must be a wiki bug. Oh well. Anyway, no pressure with the images obv  ♥ kine @ 09:11, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Resized all the images tonight. Only deleted two images on account of their being resizes which I realised too late were not quite right compared to the original. It's frustrating how the black borders are so random. Sometimes they're enormous, sometimes they're only visible on the right and left and not the top, sometimes they are visible at the top - ugh. Vympel 13:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

(reset indentation)

Yeah, i think the Nemesis ones were over-scanned or whatever so it was a little better. They had that going for them at least. Thanks!  ♥ kine @ 04:33, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

FYI, the Blu-rays don't seem to have this problem nearly as bad. Looks like they have a 1px darkened border around the entire image that still needs removed, but it doesn't have the giant black bars that the DVDs have  ♥ kine @ 02:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Is there anywhere we can get the blu-ray rips nowadays? I mean, the holy grail would be the official blu-ray release by Sentai, and I figure after its released on 24 August maybe someone will put them up? I'd buy it but a. $800 is outrageous and b. it's not region coded for Australia anyway Vympel 05:45, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Combined pages for DNT & OVA

I did a quick & ugly hack of the vessel infobox template to add image-top-2 & caption-top-2. I really didn't like the way that Lübeck_(DNT) was duplicating content and diverging from Lübeck. This'll do the display of one image & caption below the other which isn't great. We probably really want to do a switchbox with tabs for OVA & DNT? Cerise 00:27, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I've treated all DNT warships as seperate on the basis that pretty much everything in DNT will eventually have their own seperate, parallel entries to whatever their equivalent is in the OVA (if any). In circumstances where they're coming from two seperate sets of source material I think its cleaner. As DNT continues these pieces will be fleshed out, and the differences will become more apparent overtime. Vympel 09:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

It sounds like you're advocating for a different page for each version. For example, if there are sufficient differences, then there should be a Lübeck_(novel) and a Lübeck_(manga) and so on. Given that there's a lot of common data between most of those editions, it means that if you wanted to correct something that's common between all of them, then you'd need edits to multiple separate pages. That makes it harder to correct, harder to avoid drift, harder to track the history, harder to revert bad edits, and harder to compare differences. This seems like a poor decision, but -- as the Polish say -- these are not my monkeys & not my circus. Cerise 23:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Memory Alpha gets by with this sort of approach fine (the Enteprise of the Kelvin-verse and the Enteprise of the 'prime' universe have two seperate entries, not a single one) and it hasn't really been an issue there or here so far. Vympel 13:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)