User talk:Vympel

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Hey bud, thought you might be interested to know that i've posted detailed traffic stats in the staff forum!  ♥ kine @ 15:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: ship articles, &c.

Hey there. Brilliant job on the ship articles, they are really coming along! I wanted to ask your thoughts on what we should do when information is not available for a ship though. Several of our articles seem to be fully sourced from Fleet Files as far as their mechanical details, but because the FF thing doesn't always include complete information, we have stuff like '? forward cannons' or whatever.

Is that a conscious choice you've been making, or something else? My thoughts personally would be that we shouldn't include place-holders as a rule, but you are the ship expert, what do you reckon?

Also, i have been updating a lot of name variations recently, and in doing so it occurred to me that we've never come up with a formal standard for the ordering. It's a minor thing, but i think it's important for consistency. What do you think about something like this (obviously omitting any that are not applicable)?

• English name (Original DVD subtitles)
• English name (LaserDisc subtitles)
• English name (Fleet File Collection Vol.#)
• Japanese name (Original DVD subtitles)
• Japanese name (LaserDisc subtitles)
• Japanese name (Fleet File Collection Vol.#)
• English name (English fan sources)
• Japanese name (Japanese fan sources)

In other words, official English names first, then official Japanese names, then unofficial English names, then unofficial Japanese names. Is that logical? Let me know what you think, and if you agree i'll update our policy pages

PS: You can cite FF with the full name by doing this: {{ffc|#|full}}. It won't be superscripted or anything, it'll just link to it normally  ♥ kine @ 06:12, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey mate, thanks! I've been putting "?" in as a concious choice, because in terms of some ships (especially Imperial ships) we simply don't know (I'm thinking specifically of Brunhild, Nurnber, and Perceval). I was going to raise this, but I'm wondering if "armament" should be deleted from the ship info box altogether. In many cases, we can only determine the *minimum* amount of cannons from when we see them fire one time. Perhaps the number of cannon should instead be noted in a "Design" section in the main article? I dunno to be honest. Maybe I should replace "?" with "unknown".

I agree with the name variation order (noting for the sake of completeness that the FFCs don't have any English, sadly) - I averted my mind to the need for all the articles to have the same name variation order in the past few days, I believe I've been following that order, more or less. I say go for it. Thanks for the headsup re citation codes btw.

Also for the record, in terms of FFC citations for "crested" or otherwise named standard battleships which aren't given specific FFC treatment (i.e. Sindur, Langenberg, Theodoricus, Watzmann etc have been given specific miniature treatment, but so far Heilenheim hasn't), I'm simply going to give them FFC citations from one of the collections which have a non-crested, unnamed ship. All the specs (including crew) are exactly the same anyway. Vympel 06:57, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, my thinking on the '?' thing was just that if it's unknown for any reason, we would not mention it at all (like you could just delete that line from the infobox code and it won't even appear). That is what we do for the other infoboxes (like if we don't know a character's birth date, we just don't mention it).

As far as getting rid of it entirely, i'm not sure i understand. Is all of our information on the subject of armaments just coming from someone counting up the number of little holes on the sides of the ships or something? I had assumed it was sourced to something :x

On the last part, that seems reasonable to me, as long as we can be sure that they are the same ship of course  ♥ kine @ 13:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yup, its just counting up holes (someone started doing it on the old wiki, I just followed). Its not entirely unreasonable IMO, that is what those holes are, after all (we have more than enough evidence from the show to establish that). Though there is the question of some holes being different sizes and perhaps serving a different function .... Vympel 13:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Hm, it is tricky. I would say that we can be 95% sure of forward cannons, but for the other parts of the ship i think you're right, that can get tricky. Especially since it's been demonstrated (in Julian's first Spartanian battle) that some of the weapons have shutters that blend in seamlessly with the ship hulls. :/ I am open to whatever you think on that subject, if you want to get rid of them then you can just delete the armament line from the infoboxes. (However, i would suggest saving them somewhere first if you do, so they're easy to find)  ♥ kine @ 13:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Imperial Fleet

I don't know if you've noticed, but I've added a bunch of links (that don't lead anywhere) to an intended page called "Imperial Fleet." Since you've been working a lot with ship information, I was wondering if you knew much about the Fleet's composition? Command hierarchy, that kind of thing. It's all a bit confusing to me, as the Empire seems to have BOTH a professional military service (under the command of the high admirals who answer directly to the Kaiser) AND more feudal-style armies, that answer directly to local lords. Otherwise I'm a bit confused about how Braunschweig and Littenheim were able to muster such a big fleet without being soldiers. Unless that was all just Merkatz' fleet in the civil war? But that doesn't make much sense to me, either.

So, basically, I'd like to try and discuss these various issues sometime. Maybe tomorrow or the next day I'll make a crude Imperial Fleet page and we can try and figure things out there. At the very least, I'd like to assign names for the various fleets we know about, even if it's only so simple as "Kircheis Fleet" and "Reuenthal Fleet." To my recollection, the only imperial fleet with an actual name is the Black Lancers. Canary 05:30, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Yup I've noticed, no problems. I'm happy to hash that sort of stuff out. Go ahead and make that page and I'll be there and we can talk shop. :) Vympel 06:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello; names

Firstly, hi!

Secondly, i wanted to bring this up, since i know you're into the ships and everything: I'd seen that you had renamed some of the ships on LOGH Wiki to correspond to their real-life translations. Just so you know (in case you didn't see it in the Canon policy), all of the names on the wiki here have to be sourced from one of the ones used in the anime subtitles — even if they're wrong, like Bang-goo. (But you can put the real-life inspirations in the 'Background information' section, like i've done in that article.)

I know you haven't renamed any yet, but i just wanted to let you know now so that nobody wastes their time. :) Cheers  ♥ kine

Hey mate,

Yeah I thought that might be an issue so I held off from doing so. I did make a thread about it in the LOGH wiki forum though, just to let you guys know my thoughts. Vympel 07:00, 25 April 2011 (PDT)

Oh, i didn't notice. I'll check out your post there, cheers  ♥ kine