Talk:Galaxy

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Non-LOGH graphics

Fan created graphics such as the zoom, and the non-LOGH related graphics are not canon and I don't think they should be included as under the canon policy they fall under "invalid sources" and "Information from these sources should not be used in any capacity in articles on Gineipaedia, nor should they be linked to or even referred to." Also just pasting a big blob of real life astronomical information is not directly relevant to LOGH either. If someone wants to look up information on the Milky Way there are plenty of outside sites they can use to do so. The wiki should confine itself to direct LOGH related information, not general physics and astronomy. Iracundus 13:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Removed as wished. Almael 16:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Size/structure of the human territory

Among (many) other things, I'm currently trying to work out the "size" of the galaxy. I've slapped a number of screens from the Spiral Labyrinth OVAs together to make this:

As you can see, the exact location of the Thanatos Starzone is not explicity shown, but from the shape of the corridors indicated and the location of the 'camera' when the map scene changed, I've indicated where it SEEMS to be located. The scale is probably a bit big.

Anyway, the distance between Heinessen and Thanatos is stated at being 480 light years. We'll assume this is the most direct distance to measure, not the distance ships would have to travel to get there. If that's true, we can estimate the longest length of the Alliance territory to be about 500LY.

Furthermore, additional maps indicate Odin and Heinessen are roughly equidistant from the Iserlohn Corridor, and roughly equal in size. Meaning that it's 500LY from Heinessen to Tiamat, and roughly another 500LY from Tiamat to Odin.

LOGH III star chart

LOGH (Saturn) star chart

LOGH (Saturn) star chart (rotated)

LOGH (PlayStation) star chart

Arle Heinessen's Exodus is often described as a journey of 10,000 light years.

What all of this means is that, if we view the galactic plain, we have both the FPA and Empire occuping mostly circular territories with diamters of 500LY. I would be liberal and say that the overall amount of colonized space would be roughly equal to a 12,000LY diameter circle.

If the galaxy is true to current estimates (total-size wise) that means that humans have settled/explored between 5% and 10% of the galaxy. This fits in with the stated border between the two nations being the "rift" between the Orion and Sagittarius arms, which may old various implication for other logh concepts, like warp.Canary 08:25, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I have been meaning to look into this myself recently. There are several points in the series where they give ly distances and/or travel times, so i think we could definitely piece together a pretty good picture of things. As you mentioned, it would also help us understand how fast 'warp' is in LOGH  ♥ kine @ 09:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

they mention travel times quite often in Spiral Labyrinth... unfortunately, the times are all inflated due to layovers and delays and crap.

I have a feeling the animators had a single large "map" that they moved around for all of the map scenes... meaning that the map from one episode should be the same scale as the map from any other... meaning that, in theory, we ought to be able to reconstruct the entire map used in the OVAs (similar to what I did above, but more complete).

Ideally, I'd like to be able to reconstruct the complete map and use THAT for the Galaxy page instead of any fan-created maps. Canary 18:38, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The problem is not the maps shown perse. The problem is the maps shown only show the major lines (structure) and systems. The smaller systems along or between are not shown, but are shown on regional tactical maps. The major map structure is consistent everywhere, but vary in the exact distance or are skewed due to screen size differences. It shouldn't be a problem to identify the major systems shown, but the minor systems are mostly unknown. Almael 15:04, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

That shouldn't bee too much of an issue, as the overall maps are consistent in shapes, and the more regional maps typically show enough to give us a crude idea of how they all fit in on the complete map. Perfect accuracy may be too much to ask for, but no matter what, there are going to be problems and inconsistencies because we're representing a 3D map on a 2D image. We can't assume that the maps we see on-screen are from the same angle. It's entirely possible that the maps we see don't indicate geographic position at all, but rather each starzone's relative distance from its neighbors.

Ah, well. I'll figure something out. Canary 01:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Please see http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/File:EmpireMap.jpg and http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/File:FPAMap.jpg

Both are direct from the DVD features and are as canonical as it gets. Not all the place names are placed in locations, but major systems are. Iracundus 08:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I reviewed them long before and they are not quite consistent with others either. Some are misplaced. The newest maps from the new ovas are also different. There seem to be a number of type inconsistencies for all the maps. Some show closer details while dismissing some major lines. Others have problems at the rims of the nations. All in all we can only be sure about the main connections, the semi major connections vary. The star system name placement vary. The 3D isn't that of a problem from ep.6 In any case the known universe is really small if you map it out on the real Galaxy about 1/50. Almael 00:59, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

LOGH6 star chart

LOGH4 EX star chart

LOGH7 star chart

starmap network analysis

Star charts

So, i don't know if this is useful, but take a look to the right there. Found this in the LOGH III game for the PC-98. Granted video games based on anime or TV shows are usually completely made-up, but most of this seems plausible. One thing that sticks out for me though — Tiamat should be on the other side, shouldn't it?

edit: OK, here is another game screenshot for comparison. This one is from the Saturn game. I've included both the original screenshot and a rotated one (since it was not the same orientation as the PC-98 one). Something to note about this one: It contains several systems that (unless they are in Spiral Labyrinth or something) are purely made up for the game.

edit: lol, here's another. This one is from the PSX game. Incidentally, any misspellings are intentional on my part — this game has (attempted) translations included, so i've preserved their spellings here. (This will be useful for a few pages' name variations eventually.)  ♥ kine @ 01:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)