Talk:Neidhart Müller

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鉄壁 is what it is in Japanese kanji. Now strictly speaking it is "Iron Wall" not "Iron Shield". 壁 can mean wall or cliff, and is for example the character in the "Battle of Red Cliff" that occurs in Chinese history (and recounted in such things as the Romance of the Three Kingdoms). "Shield" is 盾, and is the character used in describing the nobles' "shield ships". When I did the translations for the fansub at Cornell, I translated as "Iron Wall" for the reasons above and also because of the possible reference to "Stonewall" Jackson. Somehow though CA chose "Iron Shield" and it remains a pet peeve of mine. Iracundus 13:24, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

So just to be clear, when I add to his article I should say his nickname was "Iron Wall" Müller as that is what it is in the original? Strayor 18:13, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
"Iron Wall" is his nickname without a doubt. Although try to use it sparingly in your writing. =) Glacierfairy 21:05, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


Weren't all the High Admirals promoted to Fleet Admiral after Reinhard's death? Strayor 18:13, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, that was only Reinhard's deathbed request. We don't know for sure if it is carried out completely (although Kesler was mentioned to be promoted 3 years after the end of the series in LOGH: 'The Burning of Holly House'). So I'm assuming we aren't taking any chances in here; not sure about others' opinions. Glacierfairy 21:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
If we didn't get explicit confirmation of it, i would just recommend adding a thing like 'He was set to be promoted blahblah after blahblah'. The vantage point of our writing is essentially that of the series' narrator, if you transported him in time from the last moment of the series to a few-thousand or whatever years into the future (long enough that cities are gone, but planets are still there). So we can speak in the past tense about everything, but we also only know what the narrator knew back then — if he didn't confirm that he knew something was going to happen in the future, then we assume that he doesn't know.  ♥ kine @ 04:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Not to nitpick here but there seems to be a double standard. I was told by the storyline admin that the info on Alexander Siegfried von Lohengramm was implied/expected to happen, but that was considered good enough. I especially remember editing the the New Galactic Empire article and being told that because the Kaiserine was known to be progressive and that Reinhard gave her the go ahead to create a constitution if she thought it best, that we were to assume that a constitution had been written and the article, I may be mistaken here, even had a "transition to a constitutional monarchy" section. I don't want to sound whiney or complain, I'm just curious what the policy is for this, as with this series, as we all know, there are so many different plot lines that are left open, and I think it would be prudent to have a distinct rule to follow in this regard. I think what would work best is to distinctively state what we can confirm to be true, and then add a section for the "what if" or events that the series seems to imply. Strayor
Actually the relevant section in the New Galactic Empire article says what the plan was (Hilde as regent deciding whether there would be transition to constitutional monarchy), but not that it necessarily did happen. Iracundus 21:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
So then that policy is already in place? I checked the article and it was not the same as when I last saw it so I totally eat my words on that one. Strayor 22:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure about those articles specifically, or what anyone may have said in the past, but the policy that i laid out in Policy:Perspective is essentially as i described. It was, like many of our policies, inspired by Memory Alpha, which i wanted to emulate from very early on.
Keep in mind also that some of our content came from a predecessor wiki that had basically no policies at all, and in fact much of it was completely unverifiable (to this day i have no idea where some of the names and things came from). A lot of that content has been expanded/replaced, but some of it does remain.  ♥ kine @ 04:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
That's definitely an interesting tidbit. I had no idea about that. Thanks for the info and again for continuing to walk me through the basics. Strayor 22:41, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


The note at the bottom of the page says it needs a clean up or citation. I am curious as to why. I have a fairly good grasp on German and that translation seems accurate to me so I'm wondering what the issue there is. Thanks Strayor 15:51, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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