Talk:Vissarr

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Italics experiment

Just a marker for marking this entry as a test for whether the italics look good. I like them, personally. Will be some work to update all the entries, but eh, I like work! Vympel 14:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I added a few more spots where italics were missing (including the title and the infobox), so that should give the fullest picture of what it's like. If you approve, then i can start making some of the changes myself. I will have to baby-sit it rather than letting it run automatically, but the bot could find and replace a lot of them for us.

There are only a few things to be aware of before we make the change completely:

1. Obviously the first matter is that contributors need to know and remember to do it. Due to the huge number of ships and the many different ways the names can be formatted (bold, bold+italic, linked, linked+bold, &c.), having the bot auto-find-and-replace un-italicised ship names will probably not be feasible. People will need to be conscious of how they are writing things in order to prevent inconsistencies.

2. Using italics frequently can, in certain cases, cause issues with the wiki mark-up. For example, sometimes (although rarely) if you use bold and italics together it will mess things up, which is why i have the {{i}} template. Another issue is apostrophes — writing something like « the Hyperion's » can sometimes get tricky. For this reason we may have to use templates in certain cases. Wikipedia has a {{'}} template for making possessive+italicised words. Maybe instead of making it different each time we would want to have a {{ship}} or {{s}} template (e.g., do {{ship|Vissarr}} each time)? I'm not sure, let me know what you think would be the least complicated

3. We will need to decide on a policy for ships like RK-387 (is that a name or just a pennant number?) and for numbered Spartanians.

Let me know what you think  ♥ kine @ 15:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'm not really sure which is the least complicated, lol! How does MA do it? Whichever results in the least problems for mark-up or conflicts with apostrophes should be the way to go. Making contributors know what to do is simply a matter of telling them so first time they get it wrong, I imagine. As for RK-387, since its called that in the episode with a caption and everything, I'd guess its a name. But for numbered Spartanians ... nah, I don't think so. Vympel 00:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks like MA use the same method as Wikipedia:

Dr. [[Leah Brahms]] was responsible for much of the ''Enterprise''{{'}}s [[warp propulsion system]] design.

We could do that i suppose  ♥ kine @ 00:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Alrighty, I'll do it that way then. Vympel 04:30, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

K, it's set up. {{'}} will create an apostrophe with a small bit of padding to the left so that the italicised word doesn't smash into it, and {{`}} (grave) will create an apostrophe without the padding. The second one should probably only be used in a situation where the whole line is italicised (and thus the ship name needs to be non-italicised), like this:

''In the early stages, Yang used the ''Hyperion''{{`}}s notoriety with Imperial forces against Reuenthal...''

In the early stages, Yang used the Hyperion's notoriety with Imperial forces against Reuenthal...

Otherwise use the first one:

In the early stages, Yang used the ''Hyperion''{{'}}s notoriety with Imperial forces against Reuenthal...

In the early stages, Yang used the Hyperion's notoriety with Imperial forces against Reuenthal...

I'll start trying to convert some of these right now  ♥ kine @ 11:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know: I was able to update all of the titles, all of the infobox captions, and all of the first-line 'The ____ was...' things, but i couldn't get much further beyond that with the bot due to the fact that pywikipediabot is terrible. It keeps crashing when i try to do the replaces, presumably because of encoding errors or something, and i don't know enough about Python to fix it. So that's why i've been doing most of them manually :/  ♥ kine @ 14:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Np mate, there's not that many entries it'll be done in a few weeks so long as we keep a steady clip :) Vympel 15:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I had to do it semi-manually but after a bit of messing around i think i got maybe 80% of them. Almost all instances of [[shipname]], shipname's, and  shipname  (spaces on either side) should be fixed now. That mostly just leaves ones that are at the ends of sentences or next to commas or whatevs.  ♥ kine @ 15:43, 2 July 2011 (UTC)