Talk:Yang Fleet

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Fleet evolution

IIRC, the fleets are something like this....

4th Fleet - Yang's first command at battle of Astarte
13th Fleet - Yang's fleet for the conquest of Iserlohn, and subsequent engagements
Ark Fleet - Yang's fleet in the last days of the FPA-Imperial War (mostly composed of 13th fleet, as well as defensive garrison ships?)

And that's it for the FPA fleets.

The Yang Fleet, IIRC, is the name given to the (only?) fleet of the Iserlohn Republic. It would NOT be an evolution of the 13th fleet, in this case, because the 13th (and ark an 1-12th) fleet(s) were all disbanded after the treaty of barlat. Canary 19:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if Yang Fleet is meant to be an official fleet name or just a nickname, but it is definitely used prior to the Iserlohn Republic. I had always considered Ark Fleet to be a nickname, though, because it is never mentioned in subtitles, it has no arm patch, and i think it's mentioned in dialogue only twice (once when Cazerne gives the name and once when the narrator refers to it). But i will have to double-check to be sure  ♥ kine @ 20:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Hm... yeah, on second thought "Yang Fleet" was probably used to refer to any/every fleet under Yang's command. Similar to how Imperial Fleets are (only) referred to by the admiral's name. Canary 00:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure "Yang Fleet" is first used after the 13th becomes the Iserlohn Garrison fleet. The narrator makes this clear - check, I believe, the end of Episode 19 in that regard - basically he says the Alliance Civil War is the Yang Fleet's first sortie. "Ark Fleet" is something I don't think we need - pretty sure that was just the episode title, and it was just the Yang Fleet escorting the civvies out of Iserlohn in one episode. Unit patches are very useful when it comes to this - thats how we know the 13th Fleet ceased to exist after Amritsar. Also, something I noticed in season 3 the other day - the patch Cazerne lays down when he leaves his job is IIRC Free Planets Alliance Defence Force - a reference to the post-WW2 situation for Japan? Vympel 04:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I see. And I think the Defence Force has more to do with in-universe reasoning (the fact that most of the FPA-Imperial War was purely defensive on the part of the FPA. I'd hesitate before drawing any analog to modern-day Japan, because the LoGH series has quite a few things that can be linked to various social and political movements all around the world... but very little specific to Japan. I therefore doubt it's a nod to the JSDF. Canary 06:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

EFRRF

In my view I don't think the EFRRF is a continuation of the Yang Fleet. Its the next fleet Yang commanded and it has some of the same ships, yes, but the Yang Fleet really ceased to exist after Vermillion. Vympel 14:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, I always viewed the Yang Fleet as a term of convenience and the narrator certainly did so. As a matter of fact, the Empire never stopped using the term Yang Fleet to describe Yang Wen-li's fleet, such as in episode 80 at 07:35. So I felt it is not wrong to assume the EFRRF as a continuation of the Yang Fleet. Glacierfairy 21:19, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I think perhaps it would be more accurate to refer to the term "Yang Fleet" as the common name for Yang's respective commands, rather than treating it as a sort of continuous entity. The main sticking point with that idea is that El Facil was a totally different nation state. Vympel 23:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

As for that, I've already separated the Iserlohn Garrison Fleet and the EFRRF into different sections in the main page. It is just that since both are described as "Yang Fleet" I thought it would be strange to create separate pages to describe both of them. And besides, the EFRRF only existed because of Yang Wen-li. Without his command, I doubt the El Facil government could have gathered a fleet of that size. Its designation was to me just a formality to provide legitimacy. Glacierfairy 04:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Command Structure

Schönkopf's rank was 中将. I do not know whether he has any official title or position stated beyond his rank, however certainly given the small size of the EFRRF, he would have been the de facto leader of its ground forces, sort of like how Ovlesser was the highest ranked ground force commander in the Empire. Iracundus 00:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I see. In that case I think it might be better to remove his name from the list for now in light of the lack of sufficient information. Glacierfairy 01:43, 27 July 2014 (UTC)