Template talk:Navbox/flagships/Alliance

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I'm not sure if this is useful or not. I thought maybe putting all of the Alliance ships into one big box might be weird, but i don't know. Maybe that would be better than this. Should we stick with it, or do something like:

v•d•e Alliance flagships
13th/Yang Fleet / EFRRF / IRF	Airget lamh • Hyperion • Maurya • Muffuese • Shiva • Triglav • Ulysses
Other fleets	Achilleus • Bang-goo • Cu Chulainn • Diomedes • Krishna • Leonidas • Leonidas II • Palamedes • Patoroklos • Pergamonn • Perun • Quetzalcoatl • Rio Grande

I'm not happy with the 13/Yang/blahblah thing, maybe there is some all-encompassing term we could use. And then we would have to decide if we want Gaiden stuff to be mixed in here or if it should be in a separate 'section' or what. I'm not sure, but i might be over-thinking  ♥ kine @ 12:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Alternatively, we could just dump them all in alphabetically, as a friend suggested, but i do worry that it's slightly weird because every other navbox on the site is divided into groups and this one wouldn't be:

v•d•e Alliance flagships
Achilleus • Airget lamh • Bang-goo • Cu Chulainn • Diomedes • Hyperion • Maurya • Krishna • Leonidas • Leonidas II • Muffuese • Palamedes • Patoroklos • Pergamonn • Perun • Quetzalcoatl • Rio Grande • Shiva • Triglav • Ulysses

I also don't know how we should categorise flagships. I guess i'm kind of mixing them up — i've included all of the Yang Fleet's squadron flagships, but none of the other fleets' squadron ships (like Abai Geser). Should we use every one? If we do then we'll get basically any ship in the series that is commanded by a flag officer, which may or may not be what we want. So confusing  ♥ kine @ 12:50, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I reckon if we're going to have a navbox for Alliance flagships (either fleet or merely squadron), we should put em all in there. The flashback flagships from 2nd Tiamat (Spiral Labyrinth) are a seperate issue, might put them in their own section? Vympel 13:25, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I still haven't seen any of those. I'm worried that if i watch all of it that LOGH will lose some of its magic, so i keep holding off. :( Can you explain what makes them unique without spoiling?

Here is what a complete 'everything-all-in-together'-type box would look like with the ship articles we currently have:

v•d•e Alliance flagships
Abai Geser • Achilleus • Airget lamh • Ajax • Bang-goo • Belenus • Brigitte • Cu Chulainn • Diomedes • Epimetheus • Grand Canal • Hyperion • Krishna • Leonidas • Leonidas II • Maurya • Muffuese • Palamedes • Patoroklos • Pergamonn • Perun • Quetzalcoatl • Rio Grande • RK-387 • Rustam • Shiva • Triglav • Ulysses • Vivasvat

Just go with that then?

Edit: Of course, this raises again the point of what to do about the Alliance in terms of classification, which is a very confusing issue. Are the El Facil Revolutionary Government and Iserlohn Republic both attempts at continuing the Alliance, or are they completely independent? If they're independent they should be separate. On the other hand, even if they are independent, all of these ships were at the very least built by the Alliance.... kuhhhhhhhhh  ♥ kine @ 13:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

1. In terms of the Spiral Labyrinth arc of the Season 2 Gaiden, it takes us back decades before the main series in circumstances I won't elaborate on per your request. We see unique flagships of the Alliance from that period (and less importantly, the Empire) - the interesting thing about them is that they're the old flagships of the fleets we know from the main series. These units (i.e. 1st Fleet, 2nd Fleet, etc) have existed a long time. But as obsolescent ships, it might be a good idea to give them their own sub-category, I dunno. Something for later, I don't wanna do articles for them given a: they'll be very short and b: we don't have .mkv quality screencaps for them (wish there was a Gaiden QTS rip).

2. As for the issue of the EFRRF and IRF (actually it might be IRGF ... dammit, something to check) I don't think either were continuations of the Alliance. The El Facil Revolutionary Government existed simultaneously with the Alliance before the latter was abolished - remember it declared neutrality from both. And the Iserlohn Republic was purely the government of Iserlohn, it made no claims to speak for the Alliance. Anyways, for now lets go with how you've got it I think.Vympel 14:35, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh i see. Well, in terms of not doing predecessor ships i think that's a tricky line to draw. One good example of why is that, technically speaking, the Leonidas II was a predecessor ship to the Abai Geser (since it was destroyed first). So if we are not going to include the Epimetheus then we should not include the Leonidas II either. You could probably argue the same thing for the Airget lamh and some/all of the other Treaty-destroyed ships. :/

I think i agree with you on the EFRRF and IR(G)F (let me know if it should really be IRGF, i can find-and-replace), but at the same time i think it's tricky, organisation-wise, to separate them. What i've done for now is put the title of the navbox as 'Alliance/EFRG/IR flagships' — i think that should cover us for now. I'm going to go ahead and delete this template and then move our talk page over to the new one i've made and start adding these to articles. :)  ♥ kine @ 14:46, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

There, they should all be done now. If you create any new flagship articles, try to stick {{navbox/flagships/Alliance}} or {{navbox/flagships/Empire}} at the bottom (right before the category) and, if you have time, add it to the template (otherwise i'll do it later). And of course let me know if there's an issue with any of it. ty  ♥ kine @ 15:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)